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F.A. Cup v Stoke

F.A.Cup

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A mere 14 years after the English FA Cup was instituted, a team from Caernarfon followed the trail blazed by Druids and Chirk and entered the oldest cup competition in the world. Carnarvon Wanderers, a club formed by journalist John Humphreys, became, in 1886, the first team from north west Wales to take this "bold step".

In those days there were no qualifying rounds and the Wanderers found themselves drawn away to Stoke. The Stoke Sentinel commented when the draw was made: "Little is known of the Welshmen but the Wanderers are the crack team in their area. The Wanderers are in strict training and intend to make a bold bid to win their way through to the 2nd qualifying round."   The match took place on 30 October 1886. Even with 11 fit men, the task would have been daunting but when the Wanderers' goalkeeper, John Davies, broke his wrist hitting a post, the uphill struggle became an impossibility. Stoke scored 10 goals before the Bob Thomas scored the Wanderers’ consolation goal while the Stoke goalkeeper was up the other end of the field trying to score. In fairness to the Wanderers it has to be said that the Stoke side included three future England internationals: goalkeeper William Rowley ("one of the cleverest men who ever stood between the posts"), Thomas Clare ("a steady going full back who is always reliable and works hard") and James Sayer (a speedy winger known as "the greyhound").

Many years later a story in the Herald reckoned that it had cost £24 to take the team to Stoke and that the Wanderers' share of the gate money was only £8. This tale has it that secretary John Humphreys had to pawn his watch to get the team home.   But the published diary of Hugh Vincent (later Sir Hugh), in ‘The Vincent Family Diary’ by Dennis Wood and Vanessa Field, records that the team visited the theatre at Chester on their way back. This would have been unlikely if the team had been short of cash.

The Carnarvon Wanderers team that made history was : John Davies (Lodging Hall), Griff Davies (Mountain St),Richard Jones (Garnon St), Robert O Jones (North Penrallt), Hugh Vincent (the Vicarage), D Morton Jones (Twthill Square), Bob Thomas (Bangor), Henry Owen (Mountain Street), Robert Charles Forbes (Twthill), William Roberts (South Penrasllt) and Edward Hope (Tyn y Cei). Forty three years passed before a team from Caernarfon entered the FA Cup again.

England FA Challenge Cup 1886-87

        1st Round
                           Oct 09  Blackburn Park           2  Cliftonville             2
                           Oct 16  Bootle                   2  Great Lever              4
                           Oct 16  Third Lanark             5  Higher Walton            0
                           Oct 23  Astley Bridge            0  Burnley                  0
                           Oct 23  Blackburn 0lympic        1  Partick Thistle          3
                           Oct 23  Chirk                    8  Hartford St Job          1
                           Oct 23  Clapton Orient           0  Crusaders                5
                           Oct 23  Darwen Old Wanderers     1  Cowlairs                 4
                           Oct 23  Leek                     2  Druids                   1
                           Oct 23  Lincoln Lindum           0  Grantham                 1
                           Oct 23  Luton Town               1  Hotspur                  3
                           Oct 23  Old Carthusians          2  Reading                  1
                           Oct 23  Oswaldtwistle            2  Witton                   3
                           Oct 23  Rochester                0  Great Marlow             2
                           Oct 23  Swifts                  13  Luton Wanderers          0
                           Oct 23  Upton Park               9  1st Surrey Rifles        0
                           Oct 23  Watford                  0  Swindon Town             1
                           Oct 23  Wrexham 0lympic          1  Crewe Alexandra          4
                           Oct 30  Aston Villa             13  Wednesbury Old Alliance  0
                           Oct 30  Birmingham Excel         3  Derby Midland            3
                           Oct 30  Bishop Auckland          0  Middlesbrough            1
                           Oct 30  Bollington               2  Oswestry                 8  played at Macclesfield
                           Oct 30  Bolton Wanderers         5  South Shore              3
                           Oct 30  Burslem Port Vale        1  Davenham                 1
                           Oct 30  Burton Swifts            0  Crosswells Brewery       1
                           Oct 30  Casuals                  2  Dulwich                  4
                           Oct 30  Chesham                  4  Lyndhurst                2
                           Oct 30  Church                   1  Rawtenstall              1
                           Oct 30  Clapham Rovers           0  Old Brightonian          6
                           Oct 30  Cleethorpes              2  Mellors                  1
                           Oct 30  Darwen                   7  Hearts                   1
                           Oct 30  Derby County             4  Aston Unity              1
                           Oct 30  Derby St Lukes           3  Walsall Town             3
                           Oct 30  Fleetwood                2  Newton Heath             2  Newton Heath disqualified
                           Oct 30  Goldenhill               4  Macclesfield             2
                           Oct 30  Grimsby Town             4  Sheffield Heeley         1
                           Oct 30  Hendon                   1  London Caledonian        2
                           Oct 30  Horncastle               3  Darlington               1
                           Oct 30  Lockwood Brothers        1  Long Eaton               0
                           Oct 30  Northwich Victoria      10  Furness Vale             0
                           Oct 30  Nottingham Forest        3  Notts Olympics           0  
                           Oct 30  Notts County            13  Basford                  0  
                           Oct 30  Old Etonians             1  Royal Engineers          0
                           Oct 30  Old Harrovians           0  Old Westminster          4
                           Oct 30  Old Wykehamists          3  Hanover                  0
                           Oct 30  Queen's Park             0  Preston North End        3
                           Oct 30  Redcar                   4  Tyne Association         0
                           Oct 30  Renton                   1  Accrington               0
                           Oct 30  Sheffield                0  Notts Rangers            3
                           Oct 30  Small Heath              1  Birmingham St George's   3
                           Oct 30  South Bank               0  Gainsborough Trinity     4
                           Oct 30  South Reading            0  Maidenhead               2
                           Oct 30  Staveley                 7  Attercliffe              0
                           Oct 30  Stoke                   10  Caernarvon W             1
                           Oct 30  Sunderland               2  Newcastle                1
                           Oct 30  Wellington Stg           0  Derby Junction           1
                           Oct 30  Wolverhampton Wanderers  6  Matlock                  0
                           Oct 30  West Bromwich Albion     6  Burton Wanderers         0
                           Blackburn Rovers         W  Halliwell                0
                           Chatham                  W  Bournemouth              0
                           Old Foresters            W  Cannon                   0
                           Rangers (Glasgow)        W  Everton                  0
                           Byes:   Chester
                           Lincoln City
                           Rossendale
                           Rotherham Town
                           
                           Replays
                           Oct 23  Cliftonville             7  Blackburn Park           2
                           Oct 30  Burnley                  2  Astley Bridge            2  Burnley disqualified
                           Nov 13  Davenham                 0  Burslem Port Vale        3
                           Nov 13  Derby Midland            2  Birmingham Excel         1
                           Nov 13  Goldenhill               3  Macclesfield             2
                           Nov 13  Rawtenstall              1  Church                   7
                           Nov 13  Walsall Town             6  Derby St Lukes           1
                           
                           2nd Round
                           Nov 13  Great Lever              1  Cliftonville             3
                           Nov 13  Northwich Victoria       0  Chirk                    0
                           Nov 13  Nottingham Forest        2  Grimsby Town             2
                           Nov 13  Notts County             3  Notts Rangers            3
                           Nov 13  Old Carthusians          4  Crusaders                2
                           Nov 13  Preston North End        6  Witton West End          0
                           Nov 13  Third Lanark             2  Bolton Wanderers         3
                           Nov 13  Wolverhampton Wanderers 14  Crosswell                0
                           Nov 16  Old Brightonian          1  Old Westminster          1
                           Nov 20  Aston Villa              6  Derby Midland            1
                           Nov 20  Chatham                  1  Hotspur                  0
                           Nov 20  Chesham                  1  Old Etonians             7
                           Nov 20  Chester                  1  Goldenhill               0  Chester disqualified
                           Nov 20  Cleethorpes              1  Lockwood Brothers        4
                           Nov 20  Crewe Alexandra          6  Stoke                    4
                           Nov 20  Derby County             1  Birmingham St George's   2
                           Nov 20  Grantham                 3  Redcar                   2
                           Nov 20  Great Marlow             4  Upton Park               0
                           Nov 20  Leek                     4  Oswestry                 2
                           Nov 20  Maidenhead               2  Dulwich                  3
                           Nov 20  Middlesbrough            1  Lincoln City             1
                           Nov 20  Newcastle                2  Gainsborough Trinity     6
                           Nov 20  Old Wykehamists          0  London Caledonian        1
                           Nov 20  Partick Thistle          7  Fleetwood                0
                           Nov 20  Rangers (Glasgow)        2  Church                   1
                           Nov 20  Renton                   2  Blackburn Rovers         2
                           Nov 20  Rossendale               2  Cowlairs                10
                           Nov 20  Staveley                 4  Rotherham Town           0
                           Nov 20  Swifts                   7  Swindon Town             1
                           Nov 20  West Bromwich Albion     2  Derby Junction           1
                           Darwen                   W  Astley Bridge            0
                           Byes:   Burslem Port Vale
                           Horncastle
                           Old Foresters
                           Walsall Town
                           
                           Replays
                           Nov 20  Chirk                    3  Northwich Victoria       0
                           Nov 20  Grimsby Town             0  Nottingham Forest        1
                           Nov 20  Notts Rangers            0  Notts County             5
                           Nov 20  Old Westminster          3  Old Brightonian          0
                           Nov 27  Lincoln City             2  Middlesbrough            0
                           Dec 04  Blackburn Rovers         0  Renton                   2
                           
                                   3rd Round
                           Dec 04  Cliftonville             0  Partick Thistle         11
                           Dec 04  Rangers (Glasgow)        3  Cowlairs                 2
                           Dec 09  Horncastle               2  Grantham                 0
                           Dec 11  Aston Villa              2  Wolverhampton Wanderers  2
                           Dec 11  Chatham                  1  Old Foresters            4
                           Dec 11  Darwen                   4  Bolton Wanderers         3
                           Dec 11  Gainsborough Trinity     2  Lincoln City             2
                           Dec 11  Great Marlow             3  Dulwich                  0
                           Dec 11  Leek                     2  Burslem Port Vale        2
                           Dec 11  Lockwood Brothers        2  Nottingham Forest        1
                           Dec 11  Old Westminster          3  Old Etonians             0  
                           Dec 11  Staveley                 0  Notts County             3
                           Dec 11  Walsall Town             2  Birmingham St George's   7
                           Jan 22  Renton                   0  Preston North End        2
                                   Chirk                    W  Goldenhill               0
                                   Old Carthusians          W  London Caledonian        0
                           Byes:   Crewe Alexandra
                                   Swifts
                                   West Bromwich Albion
                           
                                   Replays
                           Jan 15  Wolverhampton Wanderers  1  Aston Villa              1
                           Jan 20  Burslem Port Vale        1  Leek                     3  played at Stafford
                           Jan 22  Wolverhampton Wanderers  3  Aston Villa              3
                           Jan 24  Lincoln City             1  Gainsborough Trinity     0  played at Sheffield
                           Jan 29  Aston Villa              2  Wolverhampton Wanderers  0
                           
                                   4th Round
                           Jan 15  Birmingham St George's   0  West Bromwich Albion     1
                           Jan 15  Old Foresters            2  Swifts                   0
                           Jan 29  Crewe Alexandra          0  Leek                     1
                           Byes:   Aston Villa
                                   Chirk
                                   Darwen
                                   Great Marlow
                                   Horncastle
                                   Lincoln City
                                   Lockwood Brothers
                                   Notts County
                                   Old Carthusians
                                   Old Westminster
                                   Partick Thistle
                                   Preston North End
                                   Rangers (Glasgow)
                           
                                   5th Round
                           Jan 22  Chirk                    1  Darwen                   2
                           Jan 29  Lockwood Brothers        0  West Bromwich Albion     1
                           Jan 29  Notts County             5  Great Marlow             2
                           Jan 29  Old Foresters            0  Preston North End        3
                           Jan 29  Old Westminster          1  Partick Thistle          0
                           Jan 29  Rangers (Glasgow)        3  Lincoln City             0
                           Feb 05  Aston Villa              5  Horncastle               0
                           Feb 05  Leek                     0  Old Carthusians          2
                           
                                   Replay
                           Feb 12  West Bromwich Albion     2  Lockwood Brothers        1
                           
                                   Quarter-finals
                           Feb 12  Aston Villa              3  Darwen                   2
                           Feb 19  Notts County             1  West Bromwich Albion     4
                           Feb 19  Rangers (Glasgow)        5  Old Westminster          1
                           Mar 02  Old Carthusians          1  Preston North End        2
                           
                                   Semi finals
                           Mar 05  Aston Villa              3  Rangers (Glasgow)        1  played at Crewe Alexandra
                           Mar 05  West Bromwich Albion     3  Preston North End        1  played at Nottingham Forest
                           
                                   Final
                           Apr 02  Aston Villa              2  West Bromwich Albion     0  played at Kennington Oval
                           

 

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